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Just for our subscribers, Lisa sits down with our podcast producer (and host of his own podcast, Talkin’ Politics and Religion without Killin’ People), Corey Nathan to really dive into topics from our earlier Freedom Road Podcast episode with Dr. Grace Ji-Sun Kim.
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Lisa Sharon Harper: But I do want to just start by saying that her work on whiteness, as much as we think we've talked a lot about it, I think that what she's done is she's shown us what whiteness looks like physically, through the lens of an Asian American woman, but even more importantly, through a gendered lens.
Like she, that work that she did, like she threw out that word, let me get the word here, or the phrase, it's actually in her table of contents. The problem of a white gendered God, a white gendered God.
And I was like, what does that mean? And then what we landed on was that in the same way that whiteness is transparent, according to Denise Ferreira da Silva's book, theory of whiteness and it's the centered space in the same way that we think of race, whiteness as a race in that way the same is true for maleness. It is also centered. It is also transparent per se. It's the norm.
It's the thing that judges all else or has for millennia. So I never thought about whiteness as being the, it's like having an overlapping Venn diagram, where a large part of the whiteness circle also intersects with maleness.
You ever thought of it that way?
Corey Nathan: I thought about a few of these concepts, but Dr. Kim is forcing me to add some ingredients to the mix.
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